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    The CultureMap Interview

    Dallas band The O's talk touring, hometown songs and sweating at Double Wide

    Dixon Milner
    Apr 18, 2013 | 12:15 pm

    Local duo The O’s thrives on an air of mystery, blending bluegrass sounds with indie vocals and pop-song structures. There may only be two of them — Taylor Young and John Pedigo — but they play all the instruments heard on their records.

    Formed in 2008, the band has released three albums (including the latest, Thunderdog, on April 16) and toured around the world. They are very connected to all things Dallas, from the music scene to charity events to appearances on local sports radio station the Ticket. Clearly they love the city and feel the city’s love in return.

    The O’s continue developing their sound on Thunderdog, which they celebrate April 19 at the Granada Theater. Unfamiliar listeners should check out “Outlaw” and “Dallas” off the new album and “We’ll Go Walkin” and “Tennessee Coalminer” from their second album, Between the Two.

    Recently we spoke with Young and Pedigo about their third album, touring the country and the world, and songs about Dallas.

    CultureMap: What kind of music would you say y’all play? Would you call it bluegrass?

    The O’s: It’s technically not bluegrass; technically we play pop songs. We play pop songs with an acoustic guitar and a banjo. And some other instruments, like drums, so that’s not bluegrass.

    CM: How did you get into the bluegrass sound or instruments?

    John Pedigo: I’ve been playing rockabilly country forever, and I was heading in that way, anyway. At the time I wanted to go a little quieter, and it all seemed to kinda fall together.

    Taylor Young: I was a drummer for 15 years prior and was just learning guitar. We were drinking beers, and John threatened to buy a banjo. We started throwing songs at each other.

    CM: What’s it like playing bluegrass-sounding pop music in Texas?

    The O’s: There's a broad section of music that melds together in Dallas. One second we can be at Adair's, and we'll know the band. Then we'll go to Double Wide, and it'll be a punk band. We like that.

    We still don't really know what kind of music we play. Sometimes we are an indie band with fiddles; sometimes we are the bluegrass band at a country show. We are from Dallas, Texas, so we have all the Texan tendencies, but for indie rock shows, we are just the twangy band. At a country show we're the emo band.

    CM: Where did your name come from?

    The O’s: We were out cocktailing one night, and we decided to start this band since [Pedigo] had ordered a banjo. We needed a band name, and we sat at Vickery Park until a band name came to us. That was from 6 pm to 2 am. Then we enjoyed some to-go tacos.

    The best part is that everyone has their own idea of where that name comes from. We like to keep some mystery in it. Lots of people try to guess what it means. We are both type O blood; that's the only logical guess. One guess was that it was short for potatoes, and that the "potate" was silent.

    CM: What’s your favorite venue to play?

    The O’s: Outside of Dallas, it’s Pappy and Harriet's in Pioneer Town, California, near Joshua Tree. It’s a movie set city that Gene Autry used to use. It’s an Old West town slash façade, but there's a bowling alley and shops. It has one of those long old sand main streets. Right around the corner there's this great club with awesome food and great people. A lot of bands play that place.

    As far as locally, for a smaller venue, we like Double Wide. It you want to get drunk, sweaty and loud, then it’s for you. For a larger venue, it would be the Granada, specifically on April 19, for our record release party.

    CM: Why do you play so many shows in Europe?

    The O’s: At the beginning of the band we realized the importance of festivals and getting in front of a lot of enthusiastic music fans at one time and how big a part of the culture that is in Europe and the UK. So that was a big goal of ours. In 2009, we got on the Internet and started booking shows and met a lot of people. Now we have the most amazing friends over there who help book that stuff now. We are going back over in June, to play a couple of festivals.

    CM: Why do you list Oak Cliff and Dallas separately on the tour schedule?

    The O’s: Oak Cliff is its own thing, not bad or good. The Kessler isn't part of Dallas; it's in Oak Cliff. We have the mighty river separating us and Oak Cliff. It also houses the greatest hamburger around: Wingfield's.

    CM: What was it like to fund an album via Kickstarter?

    The O’s: Humbling. We did want to do right by the Kickstarter backers. It gave us an edge to writing. If we had that many people that believed in us making this third album, then that was hundreds of people we didn't want to let down. Kickstarter was so new to us that through the process we learned about Kickstarter [laughs].

    We don't do everything for everyone else, but we did want to do a good job. It was better than a label that's going to recoup money from us.

    CM: On the new album you have a song about Dallas. There aren’t that many songs about Dallas. Was that important for you to write?

    The O’s: A really awesome blues guitarist listened to it. He was going on with songs about Dallas, and this was the first positive one he'd heard. That song is definitely a positive song about Dallas.

    From all our traveling around the world and around Texas and around the nation, people have opinions about the cities of Texas and where the music comes from. People have a lot of opinions about Dallas, and we want to let them know how we feel about Dallas. We consider ourselves the ambassadors of Dallas. We try to get free stuff from that.

    CM: What influences do you have, in your beginning or more recently?

    TY: I’m listening to Cat Stevens for the first time in my life, and he's kind of blowing my mind.

    JP: My first real influence was the Pixies. The first album I got myself was Bossanova, and that inspired me to play music. And then I got into unusual stuff, then grunge, then rockabilly, and then it led to this.

    TY: My go-to album is Rendezvous by Luna. And the first two The O's albums.

    CM: Is there anything else you wanted to cover or wanted fans to know?

    JP: I wear a 32 waist jeans. And a 10.5 EE size boot.

    TY: I'm 9.5 EE in boots, if any sponsors are reading this. I like movies, and I like badass Oreo cake balls. We’ll have those at the show. And we'll also have brand-new T-shirts for sale.

    We’ve been doing this interview from our parked car. I've never sat at the corner of Greenville and Lovers this long. Lotta hots. This is the corner of hot.

    Taylor Young and John Pedigo of The O's recently released their third album, Thunderdog.

    The O's third album Thunderbird
    Photo courtesy of The O's
    Taylor Young and John Pedigo of The O's recently released their third album, Thunderdog.
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    Movie Review

    Wicked: For Good loses cinematic magic in rushed second-act sequel

    Alex Bentley
    Nov 20, 2025 | 12:26 pm
    Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo in Wicked: For Good
    Photo by Giles Keyte/Universal Pictures
    Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo in Wicked: For Good.

    Splitting the film adaptation of the musical Wicked into two parts makes a certain kind of sense beyond the financial incentive of making fans pay for two films. Like most stage musicals, there’s a definitive break between the two acts, and it’s hard to resist going out on the high note of “Defying Gravity” for the first film. And expanding the story for the films puts the entire story at around 5 hours, much too long for one sitting.

    However, separating them puts a spotlight on the strengths and weaknesses of each act of the musical, and it's a popular opinion that the second act is inferior to the first act. In the awkwardly-named Wicked: For Good, Elphaba (Cynthia Erivo) is firmly ensconced as the Wicked Witch of the West, striking fear in people across Oz. Meanwhile, Glinda (Ariana Grande) has ascended as the protector of the land’s citizens, even as she hides the fact that she doesn’t possess the powers that Elphaba does.

    The story speeds through a number of different arcs, including Elphaba’s sister, Nessarose (Marissa Bode), becoming governor of Munchkinland; Glinda essentially forcing Fiyero (Jonathan Bailey) to commit to marrying her; even more bad revelations involving the Wizard of Oz (Jeff Goldblum) and Madame Morrible (Michelle Yeoh); and more. Hanging over all of it is the tenuous bond between Elphaba and Glinda, which is tested on multiple occasions.

    Director John M. Chu, working from a script by original musical writer Winnie Holzman and Dana Fox, leads the way on the faithful adaptation that is perhaps a bit too faithful. Chu helmed the memorable adaptation of Lin-Manuel Miranda’s In the Heights that brought more life to an already lively production. He accomplished similar results in Wicked part one, but For Good often feels less than cinematic, with many scenes coming off as static and too much like a stage production.

    The second film contains a lot of story movement, including the vague or explicit introduction of the four main characters from The Wizard of Oz, providing plenty of opportunity for creative staging or deeper storytelling. Instead, things just sort of happen, with Holzman and Fox failing to see the necessity of connecting story dots in a movie setting. With lots of extra time to work with (the run time is 2 hours and 17 minutes), giving more information about significant events shouldn’t have been an issue, and yet the filmmakers rarely give the audience that luxury.

    The songs, as they should be, are the showcase of the film, and yet none of the sequences measure up to the ones in the first film. The rushed storylines make it difficult to connect with emotionally-resonant songs like “As Long As You’re Mine” and “No Good Deed.” “No Place Like Home” and “The Girl in the Bubble,” new songs created for the film for Elphaba and Glinda, respectively, are decent but lack power. “For Good” is the one everyone is waiting for, but it too fails to land properly.

    Erivo and Grande certainly give it their all, and when they’re allowed to dig deep into their characters, they make as much of an impact as they did in the first film. Unfortunately, it’s nowhere near as often, and their characters’ bond suffers. Most of the other actors are done no favors by the whirlwind storytelling, but Goldblum still stands out in his various scenes.

    Creating a whole film for the second act of Wicked gave Chu and his team a perfect chance to slow things down and give the events it contains extra meaning. Unfortunately, they turned For Good into something that feels less like an expansive movie and more like a slightly more interesting version of the stage production.

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    Wicked: For Good opens in theaters on November 21.

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