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    The CultureMap Interview

    Dallas band The O's talk touring, hometown songs and sweating at Double Wide

    Dixon Milner
    Apr 18, 2013 | 12:15 pm

    Local duo The O’s thrives on an air of mystery, blending bluegrass sounds with indie vocals and pop-song structures. There may only be two of them — Taylor Young and John Pedigo — but they play all the instruments heard on their records.

    Formed in 2008, the band has released three albums (including the latest, Thunderdog, on April 16) and toured around the world. They are very connected to all things Dallas, from the music scene to charity events to appearances on local sports radio station the Ticket. Clearly they love the city and feel the city’s love in return.

    The O’s continue developing their sound on Thunderdog, which they celebrate April 19 at the Granada Theater. Unfamiliar listeners should check out “Outlaw” and “Dallas” off the new album and “We’ll Go Walkin” and “Tennessee Coalminer” from their second album, Between the Two.

    Recently we spoke with Young and Pedigo about their third album, touring the country and the world, and songs about Dallas.

    CultureMap: What kind of music would you say y’all play? Would you call it bluegrass?

    The O’s: It’s technically not bluegrass; technically we play pop songs. We play pop songs with an acoustic guitar and a banjo. And some other instruments, like drums, so that’s not bluegrass.

    CM: How did you get into the bluegrass sound or instruments?

    John Pedigo: I’ve been playing rockabilly country forever, and I was heading in that way, anyway. At the time I wanted to go a little quieter, and it all seemed to kinda fall together.

    Taylor Young: I was a drummer for 15 years prior and was just learning guitar. We were drinking beers, and John threatened to buy a banjo. We started throwing songs at each other.

    CM: What’s it like playing bluegrass-sounding pop music in Texas?

    The O’s: There's a broad section of music that melds together in Dallas. One second we can be at Adair's, and we'll know the band. Then we'll go to Double Wide, and it'll be a punk band. We like that.

    We still don't really know what kind of music we play. Sometimes we are an indie band with fiddles; sometimes we are the bluegrass band at a country show. We are from Dallas, Texas, so we have all the Texan tendencies, but for indie rock shows, we are just the twangy band. At a country show we're the emo band.

    CM: Where did your name come from?

    The O’s: We were out cocktailing one night, and we decided to start this band since [Pedigo] had ordered a banjo. We needed a band name, and we sat at Vickery Park until a band name came to us. That was from 6 pm to 2 am. Then we enjoyed some to-go tacos.

    The best part is that everyone has their own idea of where that name comes from. We like to keep some mystery in it. Lots of people try to guess what it means. We are both type O blood; that's the only logical guess. One guess was that it was short for potatoes, and that the "potate" was silent.

    CM: What’s your favorite venue to play?

    The O’s: Outside of Dallas, it’s Pappy and Harriet's in Pioneer Town, California, near Joshua Tree. It’s a movie set city that Gene Autry used to use. It’s an Old West town slash façade, but there's a bowling alley and shops. It has one of those long old sand main streets. Right around the corner there's this great club with awesome food and great people. A lot of bands play that place.

    As far as locally, for a smaller venue, we like Double Wide. It you want to get drunk, sweaty and loud, then it’s for you. For a larger venue, it would be the Granada, specifically on April 19, for our record release party.

    CM: Why do you play so many shows in Europe?

    The O’s: At the beginning of the band we realized the importance of festivals and getting in front of a lot of enthusiastic music fans at one time and how big a part of the culture that is in Europe and the UK. So that was a big goal of ours. In 2009, we got on the Internet and started booking shows and met a lot of people. Now we have the most amazing friends over there who help book that stuff now. We are going back over in June, to play a couple of festivals.

    CM: Why do you list Oak Cliff and Dallas separately on the tour schedule?

    The O’s: Oak Cliff is its own thing, not bad or good. The Kessler isn't part of Dallas; it's in Oak Cliff. We have the mighty river separating us and Oak Cliff. It also houses the greatest hamburger around: Wingfield's.

    CM: What was it like to fund an album via Kickstarter?

    The O’s: Humbling. We did want to do right by the Kickstarter backers. It gave us an edge to writing. If we had that many people that believed in us making this third album, then that was hundreds of people we didn't want to let down. Kickstarter was so new to us that through the process we learned about Kickstarter [laughs].

    We don't do everything for everyone else, but we did want to do a good job. It was better than a label that's going to recoup money from us.

    CM: On the new album you have a song about Dallas. There aren’t that many songs about Dallas. Was that important for you to write?

    The O’s: A really awesome blues guitarist listened to it. He was going on with songs about Dallas, and this was the first positive one he'd heard. That song is definitely a positive song about Dallas.

    From all our traveling around the world and around Texas and around the nation, people have opinions about the cities of Texas and where the music comes from. People have a lot of opinions about Dallas, and we want to let them know how we feel about Dallas. We consider ourselves the ambassadors of Dallas. We try to get free stuff from that.

    CM: What influences do you have, in your beginning or more recently?

    TY: I’m listening to Cat Stevens for the first time in my life, and he's kind of blowing my mind.

    JP: My first real influence was the Pixies. The first album I got myself was Bossanova, and that inspired me to play music. And then I got into unusual stuff, then grunge, then rockabilly, and then it led to this.

    TY: My go-to album is Rendezvous by Luna. And the first two The O's albums.

    CM: Is there anything else you wanted to cover or wanted fans to know?

    JP: I wear a 32 waist jeans. And a 10.5 EE size boot.

    TY: I'm 9.5 EE in boots, if any sponsors are reading this. I like movies, and I like badass Oreo cake balls. We’ll have those at the show. And we'll also have brand-new T-shirts for sale.

    We’ve been doing this interview from our parked car. I've never sat at the corner of Greenville and Lovers this long. Lotta hots. This is the corner of hot.

    The O's tour extensively but love their Dallas roots.

    The O's
    Photo by Brian K. Ullrich
    The O's tour extensively but love their Dallas roots.
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    Charged up

    Magical Plano Elf Town to compete on ABC's Great Christmas Light Fight

    Stephanie Allmon Merry
    Dec 15, 2025 | 5:45 pm
    Elf Town, Loders, Deerfield Plano, Great Christmas Light Fight
    Photo courtesy of David and Melissa Loder
    David and Melissa Loder's Elf Town is in on Pembroke Court in the Deerfield subdivision of Plano.

    A family from one of Dallas-Fort Worth's most famous Christmas-light neighborhoods is stepping into the national spotlight: Melissa and David Loder, who present a spectacular "Elf Town" display in Plano's Deerfield subdivision, will compete on ABC's holiday competition show The Great Christmas Light Fight on Thursday, December 18.

    The Loders will be one of three U.S. families battling for a trophy, $50,000, and major holiday-light bragging rights; co-host Taniya Nayak is the judge.

    Elf Town, Loders, Deerfield Plano, Great Christmas Light Fight

    Photo courtesy of David and Melissa Loder

    David and Melissa Loder's Elf Town is in on Penbrook Court in the Deerfield subdivision of Plano.

    The episode will air at 9 pm (CDT) on ABC stations, but unfortunately for local viewers, WFAA will pre-empt it for the Dallas Mavericks basketball game. Light Fight will stream on WFAA+ channel 8.2 at 9 pm and later on WFAA / Channel 8 at 3:11 am. It will be available to stream on Hulu beginning Friday, December 19.

    "[Filming the show] was surreal at times, but we also knew we had created something special with Elf Town," says Melissa Loder.

    Elf Town, Loders, Deerfield Plano, Great Christmas Light Fight The Elf Town Depot, with mayor Elfus standing guard.Photo courtesy of David and Melissa Loder

    Exploring Elf Town
    The Loders, who moved to Deerfield in 2008, have been creating and evolving Elf Town since 2011. They use it as a platform to raise money for the Susan G Komen Foundation, an organization especially dear to Melissa, a breast cancer survivor.

    They call Elf Town "a place where holiday elves live, work, and play."

    "Like any town, we have a Main Street with a school, shopping, a bakery and a tavern all leading to a mega tree in the town center," Melissa says. "New this year is the Elf Town Museum that has photos of the evolution of Elf Town."

    "We also have industry - the toys travel via train, and there is a train depot for the elves to get their tickets and wait for the train," she adds. "We also have an entertainment area with a Ferris wheel and a disco for the elves."

    Standing guard over it all is The Mayor of Elf Town, a 20-foot elf named Elfus. And for the show, they created an all-new special feature: Santa's Spa in the backyard - "an area where no elves are allowed," she says.

    David and Melissa, who call themselves the "head elves" of Elf Town, work all year on their DIY display. "Woodworking, welding, painting, design and installation," they say, "are all done on site by our little band of elves," which include their daughter and son-in-law Alex and Joel Loper and their grandsons, Kade (8) and Tristan (5); nieces and nephews Sophie Polma (25), Maxine Polma (23), Beckett Polma (21), and identical twins Marlowe Polma and Julian Polma (19).

    "We also have amazing friends who materialize when we are putting up and taking down the display," they say. "Additionally, friends Roger and Rita Reynolds made guest appearances [on the show] as a famous couple from the North Pole."

    Getting on the show
    The Loders light their display up nightly for the public each holiday season. They were "discovered" by The Great Christmas Light Fight when a casting producer tracked them from a stranger’s TikTok video in spring 2022.

    Dallas-Fort Worth is a popular location for the show. The Loders now join the ranks of other Light Fight-famous homes, including the Burkman Holiday Home of Frisco (2021); the Ward family of Sky Elements Drone Shows in Keller (2023); the Hugheses' "Stay in the Light" in Rockwall (2024); the Joules-Cornettis' "Gift of Light" in McKinney (2024); and the Mach Christmas Display in Ennis (2024).

    "Of course we had seen the show from its first season, but since our focus is less about just lights and more about creating a magical world, we didn’t think we were a fit," Melissa says.

    Elf Town, Loders, Deerfield Plano, Great Christmas Light Fight The Loders have been presenting Elf Town since 2011.Photo courtesy of David and Melissa Loder

    They shot an audition video in 2023 and soon found out they made the cut. The show filmed at their house over three days in November 2024.

    "The process was three very long days of filming with a very sharp learning curve," Melissa says. "Our on-site producer was an amazing asset in the process. Her tips and tricks helped us all embrace the process, relax in front of the cameras, and hopefully come off well in the show; it was a whirlwind but so much fun.

    "I think the best part of filming was getting to learn so much about another industry that was so foreign to us. I am a clinical psychologist in private practice, and David is in sales with Porsche Plano, so we aren’t 'performers.'"

    Fighting on
    The Loders can't reveal whether they won the Great Christmas Light Fight, of course. (They'll be watching Thursday at a big party at Legacy Social Room.) But they can say with certainty that their display will continue to aid in the fight against breast cancer.

    "We participate in the 3 Day 60 Mile walk each year and the money donated goes to our 3 Day fundraising accounts," Melissa says. "Collectively, our little family of elves have raised over $180,000 to help fund vital cancer research and contribute to patient care and advocacy."

    Elf Town will light up daily from 5:30 pm to midnight through New Year's Eve 2025, with special nights offering hot cocoa, candy canes, or photos with Santa. While it's free to view and experience, visitors are invited to donate via fundraising links on their Facebook page and through Melissa's Susan G. Komen 3 Day fundraising page.

    "I think the most important part of our display is that David and I do this together as a hobby and a gift to the community," she says. "We love that we were able to do The Great Christmas Light Fight, but our true motivation for the time, energy, and money that we pour into the display comes from the stories we hear year after year of families who count on us to be part of their tradition."

    She says those include visitors finding the display as solace in hard times, along with marriage proposals, baby's first visit with Santa, and more.

    "We have even been brought to our knees by a woman who brought her infant daughter and took photos all around the display because she had a terminal cancer diagnosis and wanted her daughter to have 'magical' pictures with her so 'when she was an angel,' her daughter 'will know I believed in magic,'" Melissa says. "All of these stories and so many more are part of the legacy of Elf Town. These are our 'why' to the question we are often asked 'Why would you do this?'"

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    The Great Christmas Light Fight will air at 9 pm December 18 on ABC and will stream December 19 on Hulu. Find Elf Town at 4641 Penbrook Ct., in the Deerfield subdivision of Plano. It's open nightly, 5:30 pm-midnight, through December 31. Follow the Elf Town Facebook page for updates. Visitors are encouraged to park on a less busy street, or at the elementary school off Quincy, and walk through the neighborhood.

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